Council Minutes : March 4, 1996
FORT MYERS BEACH
TOWN COUNCIL MEETING
MARCH 4, 1996
St. Raphael's Episcopal Church
5601 Williams Drive
FORT MYERS BEACH, FLORIDA
I CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was opened on Monday, March 4, 1996,
at 6:30 P.M. by Anita T. Cereceda, Mayor, with a pledge of the
allegiance to the flag followed by a prayer.
Present at the meeting were: Anita T. Cereceda, Mayor
and Council Member; Ted Fizsimons, Vice Mayor and Council Member;
Marsha Segal-George, Interim Manager; Attorney Richard Roosa,
and Council Members Rusty Isler, Ray Murphy, and Garr Reynolds.
II READING AND DISPOSAL OF UNAPPROVED MINUTES
Corrections to Minutes of February 9:
Mr. Bigelow is incorrectly shown as the Lee County
Hearing Examiner on the first page.
On page 6, second paragraph, the Civic Association
is not the Lee Civic Association but the Fort Myers Beach Civic
Association.
On the top line of page 11, the name of Charles Murphy
should be shown as Ray Murphy.
On page 16, the name of Ray Isler should read Rusty
Isler.
Wherever the name of Garth Reynolds appears in the
minutes, it should be changed to Garr Reynolds.
Motion: Made by Ray Murphy
and seconded by Rusty Isler to accept the minutes of the meetings
of February 9 with the corrections noted. Passed unanimously.
Corrections to Minutes of February 16, 1996
The attendance on page 1 incorrectly shows that Ted
Fitzsimons was present at the workshop.
Motion: Made by Ted Fitzsimons
and seconded by Rusty Isler to accept the minutes of the workshop
meeting of February 16 with the correction noted. Passed unanimously.
Motion: Made by Ray Murphy
and seconded by Garr Reynolds to accept the minutes of February
23, 1996. Passed unanimously.
III PUBLIC COMMENTS AND INQUIRIES
A. Al Van Horn
Mr. Van Horn opened his remarks by saying he has
been amazed at the negative scare tactics regarding this moratorium
that is magnified by the uninformed media. He said that the most
succinct, sensible and rational letter in the local public forum
was the one that stated: "Does it make sense to authorize
land usage without analyzing what effect it would have on the
entire population of our island?" Of course not, Mr. Van
Horn said, and that he would add the time to be able to project
seasonal and permanent population trends to determine the impact
on our infrastructure, to designate densities and intensities
of future development, to financially plan to provide for public
services and that infrastructure. A moratorium, Mr. Van Horn feels,
would enable these studies to be properly developed. It is a proven
fact that business sectors generate more traffic than residential,
ergo, increased intensity equals more traffic. It is not true
that the council's control over rezoning requests automatically
gives you authority over limiting all zoning. Rezoning may not
be a criterium for building
more than a one or two family home. And where is
it written in the county's land use plan that all the buildings
cannot be replaced by a high rise or an available lo? It
happened with Diamond Head. How many more Diamond
Heads may evolve? And this won't change our island's ambience?
Mr. Van Horn sees all the dire, predicted legal challenges
coming from the same sources that are claiming that developable
acreage is limited and the island is built out. He finds their
views contradictory. He questions why these negative concerns
have only surfaced since the proposed ordinance was introduced
and wonders what they are afraid of. Don't be swayed by emotions
and press, he urges the council. Look at the logical, rational
reasoning of your limited moratorium with its adequate exemptions.
Approve the ordinance now and allow for the open hearings before
the public that you are elected to serve.
B. Carleton Ryffel
Mr. Ryffel stated he is giving the Town Manager copies
of all the written materials he had distributed to everyone in
attendance at the meeting. Mr. Ryffel then put exhibits up on
the stage. He emphasized that he was speaking as a resident and
that the information he was providing was done at his own expense
-- about $10,000 worth of his time.
The information provided is entitled "Summary
Fact Sheet," "Summary of Moratorium Questions and Answers,"
"Is a Moratorium Necessary on Fort Myers Beach?" He
explained his color-coded map exhibits, to the audience. Counting
all the lots, he stated he has come up with 116 residential vacant
lots and 137 duplex lots. A total of 390 vacant lots could be
single family or duplex lots. The undeveloped base commercial
land, he stated, comes to 3.7 acres and it is all in one place.
Commercial and residential development is roughly half and half.
Mr. Ryffel said he would have a difficult time in saying that
single-family duplexes should be included in the moratorium.
There are various kinds of moratoriums, Mr. Ryffel
explained. The easiest kind is the water-sewer moratorium. In
order of difficulty, the zoning moratorium is the next hardest,
followed by the development moratorium, then development building
firm, with building firm the hardest of all.
One of the main concerns, according to Mr. Ryffel,
is the fear of undeveloped C-1 lots being redeveloped into something
else. There are properties that have one strap number but more
than one lot.
The state has two kinds of setback lines. One of
them is basically on Estero Blvd. Before you can build beyond
that line, you have to get a state variance and meet certain standards.
Then there is a line referred to as the 88 line, which refers
to the year 1988, but the line was actually produced in the mid-70s.
That is a line of prohibition and you cannot build beyond it.
Where you see the back walls of the houses along the beach, that
is where the line is. In that particular area you have Estero
Blvd., then you've got a frontage road back in there, like an
alley, and you've got the depth of a house. It's about 50 feet.
You can't develop anything on that. If you put a business on the
property, you would have no room to put the required five parking
spaces.
Mr. Ryffel read from his handout, "Summary of
Moratorium Questions and Answers," which contains some of
the material outlined above as to undeveloped lots and acreage
in the town. Other questions are the following:
Is this type of moratorium being proposed difficult
to have sustained in the courts? to which he answers, yes.
When Sanibel voted for incorporation did the citizens
know that a vote for incorporation was a vote for a moratorium?
Yes.
Could the amount of land zoned C-1 which is currently
occupied by cottages be reasonably assembled to create a major
commercial project? No. Of approximately 5.3 acres of land in
this category, about two acres could be reasonably used. Coastal
construction lines, setbacks, parking pretty much exclude this
possibility. Any necessary variances would have to be approved
by the Town Council.
Could there be another Diamond Head? The zoning rules
have changed since Diamond Head was approved. Any new similar
use would have to be approved by this Town Council.
What were the legal costs to Sanibel to have a moratorium,
prepare the plan and defend it? About 3.3 million.
Assuming the property had gone through the CPD or
Commercial Planned Development process and some form of development
order on the property, which means that a property is vested,
what big changes would a new comprehensive plan have on the island?
Very little other than cosmetic, because the island is essentially
built up. The extreme, if not impossible, task of assembling land
at the larger tract is not a likely scenario.
Would a moratorium on just zoning be desirable? It
is not necessary because the Town Council already has the authority
to approve or deny rezoning. They did it last month.
Has there been a public outcry for the need for a
moratorium? No.
Why would a moratorium be inappropriate or harmful?
The following reasons are given:
a. The facts do not support the need for a moratorium.
b. There is no need for a moratorium and there is
no public mandate for one.
c. Government experts (referring to the ones who
were at the public workshop a couple of weeks ago from Sanibel
and the region) have indicated that a moratorium is questionable
at best. It will create economic instability. Mr. Ryffel said
that he would refer that to the single-family and the duplex scenario
because in his opinion, they would have to be included. And now
is the time to build because of the interest rates.
d. The impact of a moratorium would be felt across
the board.
Mr. Ryffel compared the moratorium to seeing a beautiful
house only from the street, buying it, and then finding out it
is only a movie facade with nothing inside. You will spend a lot
of money for nothing. Then you will spend the rest of the time
grieving over that million dollars that you spent. I am asking
the Council to put this thing to bed tonight, he said. It is a
waste of time and effort and is causing anxiety in the community.
If anyone wants to discuss the matter with him, he will be glad
to go into detail.
C. Dr. Joe Croker
Dr. Croker identified himself as a 7-year resident
of Fort Myers Beach. He expressed his personal views on the proposed
moratorium in rhyme:
I once watched them tear a building down,
It was a group of men in a little town.
And with a ho, heave ho they gave a yell,
They swung a beam and a sidewall fell.
So I asked the foreman, "Are these men skilled,
The kind you'd hire if you wanted to build?"
"Why these folks here, no indeed,
Common labor is all I need,
For I can destroy in a day or two
What it takes a community years to do."
And I said to myself as I walked away,
"Which of these roles do I want to play?
Am I a builder who works with care,
Measuring life with a rule and a square?
Do I start each day with a well-laid plan
And carefully doing the best I can?
Or am I a wrecker who walks about town
Content with the business of tearing down?"
And that's my question to each of you tonight, Dr.
Croker said. What role do you want to play? The part of a builder
to build this community into something we can all be proud and
happy of, or to be a wrecker and virtually destroy the community
because of costs. He asked that everyone envision the town of
Fort Myers Beach 10, 15, 20 years down the road as a community
filled with peace, harmony and love, then one filled with indentured
servants encumbered by exorbitant property tax bills to pay off
legal costs for prior bad decision making. Kill this moratorium
initiative tonight, he declared, by taking it off the table, then
refocus your collective attentions and your energies on making
Fort Myers Beach a good place to live and in which to make a living.
For this truly is our destiny.
D. John Naylor
Mr. Naylor introduced himself as the general manager
of the Pink Shell Resort, which was purchased in 1988 and since
1984 has had a very comprehensive land use plan that was approved
by the county. They have continued to implement the plan over
the years, Mr. Naylor stated, and their development has been very
controlled and very regulated as to what they can and cannot do
by what was worked out with the county back in 1984. Their company
is not an uncontrolled developer. They wish to continue to develop.
They think that imposing a mortatorium on permitting or development
orders that are already in place is punitive. They feel they have
been a good corporate citizen. They pay a lot of money in real
estate taxes, hire a lot of people who turn that money back into
the community. They are sensitive to the environment and have
received awards in this respect. Mr. Naylor said he would ask
that the Council weigh their decisions to the overall economic
benefit of the island. They, too, are concerned about overdevelopment,
overgrowth.
E. Jack Henricksen
Mr. Henricksen has been a property owner on the island
for 15 years and has lived here for about one and a half years.
He recommends that the Council get the moratorium up for a hearing.
He stated: If any one of you individually ever hoped that you
could influence the uncontrolled density, traffic, parking, intrusion
on residential property, then I think you can make it a lot easier
for yourself. Lee County committed to do that in 1992 on Policy
18.2.1 and never fulfilled their commitment. Without a moratorium,
I believe you will be constantly hassled for zoning and permits
with no appropriate fair, consistent ground rules because they
don't exist. A better plan has the moratorium and expedites your
own land use plan. Even a short one, completed in a year or less,
would be better than what we have. Without a moratorium, I believe
you will be hassled to death for zoning and permit requests without
having logical, efficient, effective, consistent ground rules
of your own, because there is lots of evidence that they don't
exist. The 1992 commitment wasn't fulfilled and look at the variances
and the exceptions that have been passed in the meantime.
F. Julie Hisey
Mrs. Hisey said she and her husband own Hisey Construction
Marine Contracts on the island. She said they don't feel the moratorium
will have a lot of effect on their business, but their phone has
been ringing off the wall with calls from people worried that
they won't be able to carry out some of the things they moved
here for, fix their seawalls or install a boatlift for the new
boat they just bought. In the worst case scenario, they would
be forced to move their business up river and they would be taking
a lot of business with them. Marine construction is a highly specialized
field requiring training and a state license. A lot of their work
is encouraged by the state of Florida and the Department of Environmental
Protection. People are now trying to tear out their seawalls to
encourage sea turtle nesting. Mrs. Hisey is opposed to the moratorium
on principal and thinks everything should be done to encourage
tasteful growth on Fort Myers Beach. If someone is willing to
come in and fix up what they have, improve their property, she
thinks everything should be done to encourage that and to help
them through that process instead of making it so complicated
and hard for the average taxpayer.
G. Robert Keene
An 11-year-resident and voter, Mr. Keene advised
that of the 91% of the 294 permanent and part-time residents on
Estero Island that were reached, 11% said yes to the proposal
for a limited moratorium request by Council Member Ted Fitzsimons.
A poll by the Beach Civic Association attempted to reach 540 people
and did reach 341. There were 17 negative responses, or 6%, and
eight people, or 3%, were undecided. There is overwhelming support
of those who live here and are concerned with the life here for
the proposal. These people will support and applaud a positive
decision. Permitting one and two family residence building, making
allowance for real hardship, proceeding with already granted development
orders, and holding off on zoning variances for commercial purposes
until our town's land use plan is in force is a sensible, conservative
approach.
H. Flip Harby
Mr. Harby first thanked the Council for taking time
to speak to him earlier. He is against the moratorium. He advised
he saw no negative signs as he surveyed the island, such as "priced
to sell quickly." He saw one C-1 zoned piece of property
across from Diamond Head for sale. If you have wild, unrestricted
growth,
Mr. Harbey said, a moratorium would be a good idea.
If you don't have that, he feels they would be wasting taxpayers'
dollars. They have until September until their prepaid tax money
runs out.
Mr. Harbey questioned the Council: Do we know how
much money all those services are going to be costing us for our
October tax bills? Why are you taking on the hearing examiner
responsibility when you haven't done the basics. He hasn't heard
any dollar monetary figures coming out of anything, workshops
or otherwise, as far as the positive interlocal agreements being
signed, but yet we've gone to this moratorium. Why a moratorium?
Does the Council know something nobody else knows? Is there going
to be a massive destruction of many, many structures and get rezoning?
Is that legal? Is that why we have to prevent this? No, it is
not. The moratorium in its complexity says that we are going to
be sued.
Property rights are very valuable now, Mr. Harbey
declared, and when you tamper with those values, or say no, we
can't do that, that's when we get the exposure of litigation.
I don't think this town can afford that, he said. I don't think
we need it, and I implore each and every one of you to put it
to bed tonight. Make the motion and vote on it to cease any further
action on a building moratorium at this time.
I. Josina Nievendyk
Born in the Netherlands, Mrs. Nievendyk stated she
was an eight-year resident of the island. When she lived in Europe,
Josina said, she saw her country occupied by the gestapo and its
citizens denied their rights. She said that the word "moratorium"
reminded her of the gestapo and that there shouldn't be a moratorium
on this island. She thinks that it is excellent that the Town
Council has the right to approve or deny any zoning requests,
but she doesn't feel a moratorium is necessary.
J. Ray Martens
Mr. Martens advised the Council that he had moved
here in 1988 and had been very lucky, very successful in both
in business and lifestyle. He didn't wish to lose either.
The window of opportunity for getting a loan in his
business, the restaurant business, is very narrow, Mr. Martens
said. It is a high risk field. This year is a unique one in that
he has the opportunity to obtain a loan now and he may not be
able to next year.
Mr. Martens said he is frustrated with the decisions
made by Lee County in the past and with the inequities. He was
told he couldn't have entertainment on his roof, but other restaurants
were allowed to. We don't need the moratorium,
Mr. Martens told the Council. All we need is for
you to be fair and equitable. He says the damage they are trying
to prevent with a moratorium has already been done. What is needed,
he feels, is people with integrity that are going to oversee the
operation of our city. He feels that when Lee County was in charge,
people lacked the backbone to do the right thing at the right
time. He sees nothing wrong with telling people "no"
sometimes.
As far as limiting intensity, Mr. Martens observed,
he could tell the Council that he is not going to increase the
square footage or the number of seats in his restaurant, but he
guarantees he could double the volume of his restaurant by just
changing the menu and that would certainly cause an increase in
intensity.
K. Bob Gaydos
He owns 1200 feet of real estate on Fort Myers Beach,
Mr. Gaydos stated, and no other commercial real estate or investment
property. He said he had nothing personally to gain or to lose
if a moratorium is effected on Fort Myers Beach. But he also understands
the negative ramifications of a moratorium, those that have already
happened and those that will happen. We are not bringing the community
back together with this discussion of a moratorium. The divide
is getting deeper and deeper and deeper and it is going to get
worse, not better. He feels that the ramifications of a moratorium
far outweigh its one benefit. He addressed Mayor Cereceda by saying
he would like to make a motion to object to the consideration
of this discussion of a moratorium.
L. Heidi Mihailoff
As a new family, a young family, Mrs. Mihailoff said,
we ought to learn to walk before we run. Quite a few of you promised
before you were elected that you wanted to unite this community,
but you can see that this moratorium does quite the opposite and
it will be even more troublesome to all of us.
Ms. Mihailoff said this situation could go out of
control. The moratorium, she feels, is a frivolous proposal, totally
unnecessary. No benefit could come out of it, especially at the
high price it carries. There are ground rules, there are ordinances,
and the law exists by which development is controlled and can
continue to be controlled. There is a handful of property that
can be developed, and then some that should be developed. There
are a lot of more important issues in front of this council than
this moratorium. I urge you to stop this nonsense, because it
does not make any sense. There are no good reasons to impose it
on this small, already developed community.
M. David Smith
He is a retired citizen on the Beach and has owned
property here for about ten years, Mr. Smith stated. He is not
sure whether this moratorium is right or wrong. He was a professional
pilot for 39 years and spent a lot of time at O'Hare in a holding
pattern, some of it for mechanical reasons. I think we have a
little mechanical problem here on the Beach, he declared. As a
pilot he consulted with those who could give the best input when
mechanical problems arose. He urged that they get the facts from
everybody that's available and give this town a year to sort out
the problems with a moratorium.
N. Sandy Suter
Mrs. Suter advised that both she and her husband
are in real estate on Sanibel and have been for 15 years. The
controlled growth, the initial moratorium and the final result
has had a very positive effect on the Sanibel community, she stated.
She has tried to make this information available to her community
here, but there has been a concerted telephone effort to keep
her quiet. However, her opinion still stands. She feels we are
going in the right direction in this community with the moratorium.
We are going to have a planned community, planned growth, and
that is the only way we can possibly get sane again. I really
urge you to continue in the direction in which you are going,
she stated.
O. Pat Lofreino
Mr. Lofreino considers the proposed moratorium to
be a dark cloud and unfair. He advises that the development may
be delayed but not stopped. Taxpayers will have to foot the bills
for any litigations that come about because of the moratorium.
Even renters will be affected by rent increases.
P. Mr. Van Duser
A 42-year resident of Fort Myers Beach, Mr. Van Duser
said that the population was 750 when he moved here so he guesses
he has seen a lot of this uncontrolled growth. He feels the moratorium
has divided the island and he is opposed to it because of what
he thinks it will mean to them down the road. He is a builder
and has trust and faith in the island. He feels there is a better
way to handle things. We have a land use plan which we've been
told is no good, Mr. Van Duser stated. But it is a good plan and
at one point we were told it was the best in the state. It hasn't
changed, it is still there. It may need a little bit of modification
and I think that can be done on almost an immediate basis. Take
both sides and put them together and let them address these issues,
come up with a plan they agree with. Don't forget that the people
on this island trust you, he told the Council, and I think they
are watching very carefully at this point.
IV DISCUSSION BY TOWN COUNCIL
A. Rusty Isler
Mr. Isler said he was quite impressed with the public
comments and had not heard any irrational, emotional rantings
and ravings. Instead, what he heard was very rational, thought-out
decisions whichever side of the moratorium one was on.
Like everyone else, Mr. Isler saId, he would like
to see responsible growth and that's one of the reasons he ran.
We are all disappointed in the history of the county; they haven't
been consistent, he noted. He also remarked: What has done a lot
of damage to us has been exceptions and variances. I do not believe
a moratorium is the proper tool for where we are at now. I would
like to see us push ahead with the comprehensive land use plan,
take the one we have now and make it work for us, make it consistent,
make it fair, not have exceptions and variances. Opposition has
not changed on the moratorium. I do not support it.
B. Ted Fitzsimons
Can I ask a question about the mechanics of what
we are doing here tonight? Ted Fitzsimons inquired. I assume that
we are analyzing the new language in the draft, is that right?
Attorney Roosa replied he had prepared the new draft
with the language to address the discrimination between residential
and commercial development
There was also language in the previous draft that
our Town Manager had problems with. Has that been resolved to
her satisfaction? Mr. Fitzsimons wanted to know and to which Mrs.
Segal-George replied, Yes.
On the subject of the moratorium, it is true that
we can, we have and we probably will blame Lee County for everything
that has happened in the past in this community, Mr. Fitzsimons
stated. But that's over now. From here on, we blame ourselves.
For the next 100 years this little island community and its destiny
will be determined by its own government. I have great difficulty
understanding the relationship of an individual, in his desire
to spend time, effort and dollars in the nature of $10,000 to
convey an opinion to the Town Council on a subject wherein the
last time it happened relatively speaking within this county,
he agreed that it was successful. He said that the dollars spent
by the city of Sanibel in its moratorium were in the multi-millions.
What he failed to say was that most of the dollars spent by the
city of Sanibel in its initial three and a half years until its
plan was in effect was in chasing active, live, issued permits,
permits that were already issued by Lee County prior to the incorporation
date of the city of Sanibel. In terms of the impact on this town
of the cost of litigation, not too many people realize that we
have insurance that we pay a healthy premium for, and in that
insurance is the provision for protection from litigation. The
ordinance that we have in front of us is slightly different from
the original draft ordinance; but it does have the same fundamental
principle in it, and that is that no one can sue the city of Fort
Myers Beach without exhausting the administrative process that
is built into the ordinance, and that's the hardship process which
is eloquently spelled out.
Section 14 of the Ordinance, Mr. Fitzsimons continued,
on the subject of civil action, says: The procedure created by
this ordinance is not itself nor does it create a judicial cause
of action and is not a substitute for Chapter 95-181 Section 2,
Florida Land Use and Environmental Dispute Resolution Act. Once
the Town Manager acts on the LPA's recommendation, the owner,
meaning the property owner, may elect to file suit in a court
of competent jurisdiction. Invoking the procedures of this ordinance
is a condition precedent to filing a civil action. You can't go
to court unless you've gone through the process of the hardship
administrative function that is required by the Ordinance. Therefore,
any intended civil action that would be brought against the town
would be known by the town and this council as to its nature and
its extent very thoroughly prior to its being able to be brought
in civil court.
Mr. Fitzsimon's said that some of the figures that
have been disclosed here tonight relative to residential dwelling
units, do not include residential dwelling units that are presently
permitted but yet to be built in this community. A professional
firm is going through the files in Lee County right now to come
up with a figure for the residential dwelling units based on Lee
County's records, which we have been told by Lee County people
might or might not be entirely accurate. Builders, developers,
and their related supporting functionaries have spent the past
40, 50 years developing this 1600-acre island and apparently plan
to continue and at a level wherein they cannot afford a one-year
hiatus from the effort, a hiatus which would give the Council
and its various committees in the town the time to plan exactly
what this town should look like twenty years into the future as
well as the mechanisms to achieve that picture and deliver it
to the future citizens of this community. A one-year hiatus from
all of the years of development and redevelopment which we are
experiencing now. As an investment
in the island's future, we can't afford that? I think
that it is very sad to say that we can't afford one year.
C. Garr Reynolds
With reference to the draft Moratorium Ordinance,
Mr. Reynolds noted items he would like to see corrected. Among
them he noted that under Section 8, line 162, it reads The LPA
shall hold a hearing with 45 days after his receipt, and he advised
it might not be a his or her. It was decided to strike that line
out completely.
Mr. Reynolds also noted that some of the things in
the document throw a lot of responsibility on the town manager.
On page 6, line 265-266, for instance, it reads: This subsection
does not prohibit the owner and town manager from entering into
an agreement as to permissible use ... Mr. Reynolds feels that
this gives too much responsibility to the town manager regarding
agreements. Marsha Segal-George said she had requested changes
in Section 13 B and C (at the February 16 meeting). The way she
understands it now, Mrs. Segal-George said, if the town manager
wants to modify the recommendation submitted by the LPA or reject
the recommendation, that goes to the town council along with the
LPA's recommendation. So the town manager is not making the decision
but it would be a recommendation that goes to the council. Attorney
Roosa agreed that it would still have to be decided by the Town
Council.
Mr. Roosa said the time factor had him concerned
in Section 7, line 146. You don't want to unnecessarily delay
the property owner but by the same token you do not want to overburden
the town manager. Mr. Reynolds said that is why he suggested 30
days instead of 15. The LPA is going to hear this within 45 days,
Mr. Roosa pointed out. Mr. Reynolds said he thought that part
of it was all right. They agreed to change 15 days to 30 days,
as that would still permit an allowance of 15 days before it has
to go to the LPA.
In Section 12 under Recommendations, line 273, it
reads: Actions or statements of all participants to the LPA proceedings
are evidence of an offer to compromise and inadmissible in any
proceeding, judicial or administrative.
Mr. Reynolds asked Attorney Roosa to explain the
sentence to him. Attorney Roosa said that that avoids any concessions
that are made at the hearing to become part of a judicial procedure.
That's to protect the town, to allow for a free exchange of ideas
without a compromise of whatever the Ordinance would require.
On page 7, lines 34, 35, 36, take the whole sentence out begining
Once the town manager acts...
D. Ray Murphy
Mr. Murphy identified himself as a licensed real
estate broker headquartered down in Naples, Florida. He is not
a big developer but makes his living selling other people's real
estate. He has no interest in real estate on Estero Island at
all. He does own 1200 square feet of real estate here, the condominium
he lives in, and owns no other commercial real estate. . He owns
no other investment property. Mr. Murphy declared he has nothing
personally to gain or to lose if a moratorium is effected on Fort
Myers Beach, none whatsoever, but that he also understands the
negative ramifications of a moratorium, those that are going to
happen if the moratorium comes to fruition and those that have
already happened through divisiveness in the community. The ramifications,
he stated, far outweigh the benefits he's hearing about a moratorium.
Mr. Murphy declared that at this time he would like
to make a motion to object to the consideration of this discussion
of a moratorium. Mr. Murphy's motion did not get a second.
A partial summary of Roberts Rules of Order on the
subject of such a motion reveals: An objection may be made to
the consideration of any original main motion ... Thus it may
be applied to petitions and communications ... as well as the
resolutions. It cannot be applied to incidental main motions,
such as amendments to bylaws .. It is similar to a question of
order in that it can be made when another has the floor, and does
not require a second. And as the chairman can call the members
to order, so he can put this question if he deems it advisable
upon his own responsibility. It cannot be debated or amended or
have any other subsidiary motion applied to it. It yields to privileged
motions ... A negative but not an affirmative vote for consideration
may be reconsidered. The object of this motion is ... to enable
the assembly to avoid altogether any question which it may deem
irrelevant, unprofitable or contentious.
Ted Fitzsimons declared that he objected to Mr. Murphy's
motion.
Mr. Roosa said that the problem he has with the motion
is the provision in the Charter that says that any council member
may introduce an ordinance. So any action that the council takes
to deny a council member from introducing an ordinance for a hearing
would be in violation of the charter.
Mr. Fitzsimons said, I believe he said resolution,
not ordinance.
Mr. Roosa's replied that Robert's Rules of Order
do not address ordinances at all.
Mayor Cereceda asked Mr. Murphy to state the purpose
of his motion. You don't want any further discussion? she asked.
You don't want to hear what I have to say?
Mr. Murphy replied, No, I don't.
Well I don't accept your motion, the Mayor stated.
Mr. Roosa stated that in the Charter in Article 10,
Ordinances and Resolutions, Section 10.02, Adoption of Ordinances,
Subsection A says: An ordinance may be introduced by any member
at any regular or special meeting of the council. The language
of the Charter is clear that each of the five of you has the right
to introduce any ordinance whatsoever and set it down for public
hearing. It only takes one council member even though the four
other council members oppose that ordinance.
This will go to public hearing no matter what? Mayor
Cereceda wanted to kow.
Mr. Roosa explained that Ted Fitzsimons could withdraw
his motion if he saw that the four other council members were
against it.
E. Mayor Anita Cereceda
Mayor Cereceda stated that this island was incorporated
because people wanted control. She doesn't think anyone wants
to overdevelop this island because it doesn't do any of us any
good. There have been tremendous mistakes made by Lee County,
but to retaliate against Lee County without any thought would
be to cut off your nose to spite your face. The Mayor says that
she doesn't buy the money argument. There is no price that I wouldn't
be willing to pay to guarantee the safety of this island, she
said. I don't think it's an issue here. I think it's been a threat.
The reality of the situation is that the best decision for our
futures has to be made period. Mayor Cereceda then read a statement
she had prepared for this meeting which expressed her feelings
regarding public reaction to the proposed moratorium and her own
reasons for endorsing one. She would recommend, she stated, that
we put our local planning agency into place as soon as possible,
making that our number one priortiy until they are seated. I then
would propose we charge them with the task of addressing all the
issues raised by proponents of the moratorium and request that
they act as expeditiously as possible in recommending to this
council amendments that can be made to the existing plan to enable
our planning committee a snapshot for their ultimate planning
process. I would suggest that this be accomplished via a vision
statement and that this council would then act accordingly to
amend where necessary our existing plan. I have been advised by
county attorneys that this will essentially accomplish the same
end and is possible. It will create for us a snapshot from which
to plan. It is my belief that the outcome following this course
of action will achieve the goal of effective and efficient planning
in a far less divisive manner than the proposed moratorium.
The Mayor said that the minutes have been very helpful
in her research and that they were available to read at the Library.
Mayor Cereceda said she consulted with Tim Jones
and asked him what we could do to amend the Lee Plan, which he
stated was now the Fort Myers Beach Plan, to basically rein it
in and eliminate the most fearful portions of it, eliminate any
loopholes.
There is a process that requires the Land Development
Code to be adjusted to conform with the hierachy of language of
the Comprehensive Plan, Mr. Fitzsimons advised. Let's assume that
the inherited Land Development Code that we took from Lee County
does presently conform to the Lee County Land Use Plan. If we
change something in the Comp Plan then we've got to go in and
adjust the language of the Land Development Code. The Land Development
Code specifically gives the direction to what is allowed, what
is not allowed, where and why. It's sort of a mechanical process.
Mr. Roosa said it is something we have to do anyway.
But that's what we're charged to do, so it's a question of timing.
And certainly one of the top priorities of the town should be
to adopt a Comprehensive Land Use Plan. I'm talking about now,
not two or three years from now, Mrs. Cereceda advised. Mr. Roosa
told her he agreed with her 100%.
Mayor Cereceda said the seven people in the Local
Planning Agency should tell her what we need to fix in place.
She doesn't think a year is enough time. She thinks that once
the community starts getting into this, everybody is going to
have something to say about every single element -- which is good.
It's not something she thinks we can rush through. But how quickly
could that group be able to review the Plan and say this is what
we need to be fixed so that we know nothing will come by us and
we've essentially got our snapshot?
Mr. Roosa said it would depend on how often they
are willing to meet. It's a question of time and staff and how
much you are going to help them. The Local Planning Agency is
pretty much stressed out. They can make the decisions but they
need to be fed the information. You should make this your top
priority. It is going to cost some money. You are going to have
to hire some engineers and planners to be there to provide information
so they can make intelligent decisions. That's really what the
moratorium is about. The purpose of the moratorium is to promote
the Plan. What you are really saying is that you don't feel at
this time based on the information you have that that's necessary.
And the Local Planning Agency after they've met with this awhile
may come in and say, Look, we can't do this job, it's an impossible
task because you won't hold things still, and then you have to
have a moratorium. It's a problem of time, and money, because
how much money are you going to give to the Town Manager to provide
the kind of staff you are going to need?
And Comp Plan changes have to go through Tallahassee,
Ted Fitzsimons interjected, the Department of Community Affairs.
It's a requirement. They have a 90-day turnaround, and then you
have a 90-day turnaround to respond back to them.
But in that process, Mr. Roosa said, they might find
that there is a problem that needs to be addressed that you may
want to address other than in a moratorium. They'll have some
suggestions on legislation for you.
Can they go in and amend zoning regulations? Mrs.
Segal-George inquired. Mr. Roosa told her, yes, and described
how it would be accomplished. He also stated that while they were
working on the Comprehensive Plan, then you can work on the CRA
Ordinance. If you don't have the regulations to go with the CRA
you can't implement that program.
It was determined that Ted Fitzsimons had the right
to take the moratorium to a public hearing. First, Mr. Roosa would
put it in final form and then send it to the Town Manager. Do
we want to take it forward? Ray Murphy wanted to know. Rusty Isler
said that he feels real strongly that the moratorium is not the
tool we need to use for our situation. He thinks that everybody
in the room is close to wanting the same thing. Mayor Cereceda
said she agreed with him but that people who wanted the moratorium
and those who didn't were just coming from different perspectives
and basically wanted the same goal.
Ted Fitzsimons asked, Why is it so difficult for
me to find out the nature of the hardships that would be imposed
on the individuals within this community for that one year? Every
single case would be looked at. It only convinces me that we need
the moratorium, he said. We have to know what is out there and
has already been permitted and processed and is in the future
of this community.
What the future of the island is going to look like,
Mayor Cereceda declared, is going to be whatever the LPA and this
council decides it's going to look like.
Further discussion among the council members dealt
with how best to plan for future growth in Fort Myers Beach, including
ways to meet the needs of the community without a moratorium.
V REPORT OF TOWN MANAGER
Mrs. Segal-George announced that we were on the same
fiscal calendar as the county.
In compliance with the motion made by Council Member
Ted Fitzsimons and based on the legal advice received from Attorney
Roosa, Mrs. Segal-George will set March 18 as the date for the
first public hearing of the ordinance and set April 1 for the
second public hearing of the ordinance. She would like to move
the workshop on Comprehensive Planning scheduled for March 21
to March 28 and schedule a Solid Waste workshop on March 21.
On the side of the building, Mrs. Segal-George announced,
they would like to put the address of the Town Hall on the side
of the building, as well as black letters reading "Town Hall"
at a cost of $180. They haven't as yet approached the landlord
regarding putting a sign outside of the building.
Mr. Huber reported that the mailbox will be installed
on Friday morning out by the sidewalk and will have the words
"Town Hall" and the address numbers on itas well.
Regarding the gas tax, Mrs. Segal-George reported
that it was divided right now between the town and the county.
Also reported is that the Sanibel Bridge Committee
is asking for three appointments with the Fort Myers Beach Council.
Four bills were presented to the Council for approval
by Mrs. Segal-George, and the council members discussed them.
Motion: Motion made by
Ted Fitzsimons to approve bills presented to the Council. Seconded
by Rusty Isler. Passed unanimously.
Garry Reynolds wanted to know how much money the
Council had coming in at this time. Mrs. Segal-George advised
they had received one check from the state and will receive more.
Attorney Roosa reported that five ordinances had
been repealed by the county. One has to do with trash collection,
another with site cleanup, another with flood, another with construction,
and the last with water skiers. Mr. Roosa said he also asked that
Ordinance 89-09, the Sea Turtle Ordinance, be included.
Mayor Cereceda stated that someone is spreading the
word that the open can law would not be enforceable during spring
break. Mr. Roosa asked if she had talked with the Sheriff. He
believes there is a legal ordinance that can be enforced.
VI PUBLIC COMMENTS AND INQUIRIES
A. Peter Lesich
Mr. Lesich feels that our biggest concern is the
unity issue.
VII ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Anita T. Cereceda adjourned the meeting at
10:05 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Lorraine Calhoun
Recording Secretary
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