Council Minutes : March 11, 1996
FORT MYERS BEACH
TOWN COUNCIL MEETING
MARCH 11, 1996
NationsBank, Council Chambers
2523 Estero Boulevard
FORT MYERS BEACH, FLORIDA
I CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was opened on Monday, March 11, 1996,
at 6:30 P.M. by Anita T. Cereceda, Mayor, with a pledge of the
allegiance to the flag followed by a prayer.
Present at the meeting were: Anita T. Cereceda, Mayor
and Council Member; Ted Fizsimons, Vice Mayor and Council Member;
Council Members Rusty Isler and Ray Murphy; Marsha Segal-George,
Interim Manager, and Attorney Richard Roosa.
Absent from the meeting was Council Member Garr Reynolds.
II READING AND DISPOSAL OF UNAPPROVED MINUTES
Motion: Made by Ray Murphy
and seconded by Rusty Isler to accept the minutes of the meeting
of February 5. Passed unanimously.
Motion: Made by Ray Murphy
and seconded by Rusty Isler to accept the minutes of the meeting
of February 21. Passed unanimously.
Corrections to Minutes of February 26, 1996
Ted Fitzsimons advised that on page 11, Section K,
Item 2 "Furrow Street," should read "Pearl Street."
Motion: Made by Ray Murphy
and seconded by Rusty Isler to accept the minutes as corrected
of the meeting of February 26. Passed unanimously.
III PUBLIC COMMENTS AND INQUIRIES
A. Carleton Ryffel
Mr. Ryffel stated that his comments had to do with
the LPA ordinance or portions thereof. He advised that the LPA
will not do the actual planning of the council's comprehensive
plan. There will be a review group that will develop the plan
without the professionals and then make recommendations to the
council and to the board. It was noted that the present Lee Plan
as it relates to the Beach was prepared by Beach citizens with
the help of a professional planner, which makes it a little difficult
for Mr. Ryffel to understand why the current comprehensive plan
is so objectionable now. The Land Development Code, he advises,
is the implementing tool of the comprehensive plan and is what
used to be called the Zoning Ordinance. It should be a relatively
simple matter to amend that ordinance, he feels, specifically
by taking out some of the permitting uses and some of the zoning
districts that are objectionable.
Mr. Ryffel feels that the composition of the LPA
should be diverse. (He is referring specifically to Section 4
of the draft Ordinance 96-02, Qualifications of Members.) The
state statute that deals with the setup of the LPA does not specifically
indicate where the numbers come from. In other words, they don't
necessarily have to be in conflict with Fort Myers Beach. And
the statute certainly doesn't limit the membership to only residents
of Fort Myers Beach. You should not limit your members to residents
only, he stated, but should include property owners. This would
provide a diverse pool of candidates for the town to choose from.
With this change made, the council could then widely solicit member
candidates. He would also recommend, since it is not specifically
spelled out in the draft LPA Ordinance, that the council establish
some kind of a pool of candidates and that everyone vote on it.
B. Marge Levar
Marge Levar said she felt that the time spent by
the general public talking about resolutions and moratoriums could
be limited, either by prearrangement before a meeting or by limiting
a speaker's time.
IV RESOLUTION ON PRESERVATION FUNDING
This resolution is brought forward with the request
that the council consider passing it so that it can be sent on
to the state, Mrs. Segal-George, advised. It is a resolution of
the Town of Fort Myers Beach requesting the 1996 Florida Legislature
to provide adequate funding for the preservation and repair of
the state's beaches, to recognize the need for funding non-federal
projects, and to identify a long-term, dedicated funding source.
Motion: Made by Ray Murphy
and seconded by Rusty Isler to accept the resolution. Passed unanimously.
V NFDES PERMIT APPLICATION -- BRIEF OVERVIEW
Mrs. Segal-George explained that the NFDES ( National
Pollutant Discharge Elimination System) permit has to do with
the Federal Clean Water Act. It requires political entities to
implement storm water management programs within a certain time
frame. A permit has to be applied for. The reality of it is that
we have no choice but to participate. The county has a division
that deals with these types of issues and we can ask them questions
and get a better feel for what is happening. This is the second
part in the application. The first part was submitted before Fort
Myers Beach became a town and was still a part of Lee County.
As soon as the town of Fort Myers Beach appeared, it got plugged
into this permit application process. We are going to have to
participate with the other cities in the county's special districts
in submitting it. It has to be submitted by June of this year.
Basically, we are going to be relying on the county's data with
regards to this application. It is a very expensive application
to prepare. Just doing the testing is about $60,000. At some point
we are going to have to have an interlocal set on the agenda to
consider and approve. The county is working on a recommendation
as to what they think this town's funding will be. Everyone is
participating in the cost of this permit. We only have two choices:
One, we can go it alone or, two, we can go with the county. We
have no other choices.
All of the other cities and special districts would
have to share in the total cost of the permit application. Part
of this permit requires dedicated funding. They haven't come up
with the total cost yet nor have they come up with a recommendation
of what they think our share should be. The other cities have
agreed to funding based on the formula of the gas tax. Since we
are not yet in that formula, that isn't available to us.
At one time the county was going to do storm water
drainage system county-wide, but they never put that into effect.
The county is now going to do it watershed by watershed. It goes
from the large issue of the bay all way down to the smaller issue
of the culverts and water quality. It is very comprehensive as
far as what it could possibly cover and the permit is very comprehensive.
With a little bit of luck, we could benefit as a
community, Ted Fitzsimons stated, because we're so closely attached
to our back bay, which is closely attached to all of the estuaries,
etc.
This will definitely have standards in regard to
potential degrading of water quality.
According to Ted Fitzsimons, there is activity going
on region-wide relative to the National Estuaries Program and
the inclusion of the Charlotte Harbor watershed area in the National
Estuaries Program. He asked if they related at all on the federal
level? He was told by Mrs. Segal-George that she didn't think
so, that this had to do with the EPA and the whole issue of trying
to deal with water runoff and trying to come to terms with some
of the problems that have existed for a long time that haven't
been cleaned up. It is her understanding that the budget will
have a dedicated funding source, possibly ad valorem.
The difference between dedicated funds and committed
funds was explained. A lot of times for grants or regulations
you have to have dedicated funding, which means that money is
used for X and can't be used for anything else. Committed funds
could be interpreted as today committed and tomorrow not committed.
VI COUNCIL MEMBERS' ITEMS AND REPORTS
A. Vice Mayor Ted Fitzsimons
Mr. Fitzsimon's advised he had two items. One is
a request for an executive session with our town attorney on the
situation of legal cases that are presently outstanding and in
which we are involved in order to get a clearer picture in our
minds as to the exact nature of these cases, their impact, and
what our fundamental direction is. This will require a notice
and it will require recording, etc.
When asked by the mayor if this was something that
he had to agree to, Mr. Roosa said, no, that he worked for the
council. Mr. Roosa explained that an executive session normally
comes about when there is an offer of settlement or at his request
in the instance of either negotiating or involving strategy with
litigation. Everything that is said at an executive session will
eventually be made public because this is the public's business.
We don't usually have an executive session to explain litigation
because there is nothing there that is confidential, nothing that
involves strategy or would in any way make any difference. Mr.
Roosa said that if he wanted to discuss an issue with the council
that he didn't want an opposing counsel to be aware of, then an
executive session would be appropriate.
The county has filed motions on two lawsuits and
Mr. Roosa just joined in them. They are not really at the strategy
stage in the lawsuits. We inherited this litigation. This is not
litigation that is of any wrongdoing of this town council. Mr.
Roosa does not see us as a party with an active interest although
we are legally a proper party. If the applicant prevails, they
will come to this town council for a rehearing. But they have
to get over these hurdles first, Mr. Roosa advised, and he certainly
would not recommend our going against the county attorney's office
in their motions. And if they prevail on the motion, these lawsuits
would be over. Mr. Roosa said it seemed appropriate to him and
so he joined in with them.
Ted Fitzsimons stated that the purpose for his recommending
an executive session was to discuss the cases both for educational
purposes on our part and also to make sure that we all thoroughly
understand the nature and impacts of the position being taken
by the town. It was Ray Murphy's feeling that everything could
be done in an open session and Mr. Roosa concurred.
The only difference between an executive session
and what we are doing right now,
Mr. Roosa advised, is the timing difference, because
what we are saying now is a matter of public record today. An
executive session will become public when the lawsuit has been
resolved. The resolution of the lawsuit may bring it back to you.
One of the first things that Mr. Roosa would caution the council
is that the things that they say ought not to establish a bias
on their part.
Mr. Roosa reiterated that this was the public's business
and that it was only when the public's interest was to be protected
that we should have an executive session. There are times when
the public should be delayed in its knowledge because if opposing
counsel had that information it would hurt the public, he said.
That's the real issue. Mr. Roosa said he had talked to the attorneys
on both sides of these cases and has no problem, and as a matter
of fact, he has no problem with the merits of the cases. But they've
got to get through these procedural issues beforehand. And we're
not at that stage to get into the merits of these cases yet.
Rusty Isler didn't think an executive session was
necessary at this time, they are not trying to protect anything.
He thinks we can talk about it just like we are talking now.
Mr. Roosa suggested that we take time to go over
each one of these cases and then if we had questions or concerns
we didn't feel that we wanted to discuss in public, that would
be the time to have an executive session. There is one lawsuit
that is a trial de novo. That means that there will be a complete
trial for it if we get that far. It is in the early stages right
now. These other lawsuits are strictly procedural lawsuits. They
are appellate issues. The whole issues are first procedural and
secondly legal. Mr. Roosa hopes that the council will direct him
to enforce the law as he sees it. The three petitions are pretty
clear cut, straightforward legal issues, he feels. In the trial
de novo, there is a legal issue and Mr. Roosa has talked to the
attorney about that. The legal issues have to do with the fact
that there is what he would call an administrative remedy that
must be exhausted prior to filing the lawsuit. And that is that
they are to file a sworn complaint with the governmental agency
that has held the hearing and then if they fail to take action,
they go to what is called a trial de novo, a trial from beginning
to end, a complete trial on the merits on the case.
According to Attorney Roosa, we have a very unique
once in a lifetime set of circumstances, and that is that this
period of a 30-day transition occurred during our incorporation.
So it is certainly arguable that they should have petitioned the
town counsel rather than the county commission, because they are
holding us responsible for the county commission's turning them
down. Mr. Roosa has talked to the attorney about that and also
the other parties that are involved to try to see if there is
some way that we could procedurally work that issue out and see
if it could be resolved. But again, that's not so much a matter
of strategy, that's pretty much a legal issue. It is assumed that
what we would want would be a fair application of the ordinances
as they existed.
Questioning Attorney Roosa, Rusty Isler wanted to
know if we are taking the stand that even though we've been named
with these lawsuits, they're not really our lawsuits but we are
following along because we're named. Wouldn't it jeopardize our
bias?
Mr. Roosa doesn't feel it would jeopardize our bias,
because if we were the principal parties from beginning to end
we certainly would be aware of what's going on. If the cases die
in procedural matters, they'll never come before us and we'll
use the time to learn something. Mr. Roosa revealed he had met
with the county attorney's office over these lawsuits and they're
fairly confident, at least on these two lawsuits, that they'll
never get back over here.
Mrs. Segal-George suggested doing a kind of litigation
update next Monday night. Attorney Roosa said he could give a
written report and then explain it, kind of in an outline form.
They will limit the update to a particular lawsuit rather than
collective lawsuits, because it will tie into a date when that
lawsuit is settled. If we have four lawsuits, when the first one
is settled it might put us in an embarrassing situation. We would
have to disclose any executive session that was held and yet we
may not want to. Each executive session should be on each each
specific lawsuit.
Ted Fitzsimons thought they should find out the nature
of the case, the position of the county, the impacts.
It was decided to put the matter on next Monday's
agenda.
Mr. Fitzsimon's second item has to do with a draft
resolution that was, he believes, handed out at the news conference
last Friday. It is in everyone's package as Councilmen's' Item
1. He would request that this item be discussed at next week's
agenda. Mayor Cereceda felt it was an excellent idea. Rusty Isler
also thought it was a great idea and prefers having the public
made aware of issues head of time. The item was scheduled for
Monday's meeting.
B. Mayor Anita T. Cereceda
Mayor Cereceda advised that the deadline for the
town manager applications was the first, and they probably have
75. She would like to propose a way of sifting through all of
them just so that they stay within all the guidelines that are
required. She suggested assembling the resumes into packets of
five and have them all here with a sign in, sign out sheet. Each
council member would take packet number one, read it, then sign
off that he has read all those resumes and reviewed them. If any
particular resume strikes one's fancy, the council member should
make a note of the fact. At the end of the week they could review
them all and on Monday they could actually come up with a list
and begin some sort of interviewing process, if necessary, or
a negotiating process with Marsha if that is what they determine.
Rusty Isler asked If there was some way that we could
use the help of some of the people in the community, two or three
people who are neutral.
Mayor Cereceda said she had looked at all the applications
and felt that the other council members would be able to quickly
dismiss some of them. She already has a volunteer who has offered
to put the applications into packets and who has followed this
procedure previously. The council was told that there would be
no set amount as to the number of preferences and they would all
get to see all the applications. They need to hire an assistant
or a clerk to the town manager, and therefore the town manager
should be in a permanent position. Mayor Cereceda would like to
see some resolution on the position of town manager by the end
of the month. She would like to start the process tomorrow. They
need to get the LPA in place as soon as possible and the LPA's
staff is the town manager. It was established that Mrs. Segal-George
had signed up for 60 days and was now in her sixth week as interim
town manager. Part of her reason for not yet hiring help was the
fact that she was not permanent at this point
. Mr. Isler asked Attorney Roosa if they talk to
Marsha Segal-George and she wants to stay on, if that would have
to be done right here when negotiating a package. He was advised
that it should be done here, but they could have Marsha come in
with a proposal and then work from her proposal.
In the past, according to Mrs. Segal-George, Lee
County designated one person to negotiate and then bring the results
back to the entire council. It could only be one person, not two.
The county commission would designate the chairman or someone
like that to negotiate and then that comes back to the council.
Mayor Cereceda said they would need to quickly send
out letters to people who are not going to make the cut. She envisions
the council members coming to town hall and looking through as
many packets as they can tomorrow night. There will be a check
list for everyone to sign off after reading each application.
The chore of selecting applicants should be done
next Monday the latest, the mayor said They also needed to make
a decision on the selection of the LPA, how the people are going
to be appointed. Marsha has suggested that instead of each of
the council members choosing one person, each would nominate three
people, give their qualifications and tell why they think each
person is qualified for the job. Theoretically, then they would
have a pool of 15 people to choose from, although some choices
may overlap. After everyone votes, the top seven vote getters
become the LPA.
Mr. Roosa gave his okay to this selection method.
The seven people who will be nominated will, of course, have indicated
that they would serve on the LPA. Marsha suggested setting Friday
as a deadline for names to come in, then by Monday evening next
week she would be able to at least have a list for the council.
Mayor Cereceda announced that the Volunteer Center
of Lee County has declared April 12 to April 27 National Volunteer
Week and they would like a resolution or something from the town
stating that those days are National Volunteer Week in the town
of Fort Myers Beach as well. The mayor would appreciate it if
a proclamation could be issued declaring a National Volunteer
Week in the town of Fort Myers Beach. Traditionally, President
Clinton and Governor Chiles have issued proclamations declaring
National Volunteer Week in the United States and in Florida. In
a letter sent to Mrs. Cereceda, the volunteers disclosed that
the theme for this year is "Volunteer because change is possible."
Sent with the letter was a copy of the sample proclamation that
is being used nationally this year. It was requested that the
town's staff members be present with the volunteers when the proclamation
is signed and that a picture be taken at that time. Many Fort
Myers Beach residents are excellent volunteers who helped the
residents of Lee County, the letter stated, and all of these people
deserve special recognition. Mayor Cereceda said she thought it
would be appropriate to recognize the volunteers in their community
and she would like to issue this proclamation. This will be her
first proclamation, it was noted.
VII SECOND READING OF LPA ORDINANCE
The title of Ordinance No. 96-02 was read by Mayor
Cereceda as she had done at the previous council meeting.
Mr. Roosa pointed out some typographical errors in
the Ordinance. On page 6, paragraph j, the last line should read
F.S. 163.3191 and not s. 163.3191. On page 7, paragraph m, four
lines down should read as may be, not as bay be, and six lines
down should read regulations and codes, not regulations an codes.
Under Section 18, three lines down, law of contrary should read
law or contrary.
VIII PUBLIC COMMENTS AND INQUIRIES
A. Flip Harby
Mr. Harby referred the council to their discussion
of how members of the LPA would be selected. If you are proposing
to vote on the LPA Ordinance tonight, he cautioned, that language
should already be included in it. There is no language on how
the seven members are going to be selected.
Mr. Roosa said that the ordinance provides how the
town council will make the selection of LPA members.
B. Pat Loffreno
Mr. Loffreno asked that the town council include
people with a background in construction or real estate in their
selection of members for the LPA.
C. John McCarthy
Mr. McCarthy said he was a little confused when he
heard about the applications and said he believed that if a councilman
signed one or marked it in any way that another councilman could
recognize, it would be a violation of the Sunshine law. The mayor
advised that she was aware of this fact. Mr. McCarthy also said
that as the Fort Myers Beach fire chief for years, he concurred
with Pat Loffreno that it was very important that members chosen
for the LPA be knowledgeable in building and know what a truss
is and how to read plans.
D. Arthur McDonald
According to Mr. McDonald, there is a trend nationally
and in many localities around the United States today to take
into account certain cost benefit analyses in adopting rules and
regulations. We see the costs, sometimes extravagant costs, of
adopting certain laws and other actions which have the effect
of costing one group or another a great deal of money, time, inconvenience,
especially legal fees. Litigation sometimes results from the actions
of the board. We also see that counties and cities sometimes gain
less than they expect by adopting certain rules and regulations.
Mr. McDonald proposes that some type of cost benefit analysis
be adopted in the LPA in order to disclose to the citizenry the
total cost to the city of adopting such action and also disclosing
the net benefit to the city of adopting such action to prove whether
or not that action will either provide or not provide a net benefit
to everyone. If a benefit cannot be proven, then maybe that action
should be either reviewed or rejected.
E. Carleton Ryffel
Mr. Ryffel concurred with Mr. McDonald and said he
thought that Lee County does that now. He suggested to the council
that when we have our workshop with the county tomorrow, we might
want to ask them how they do it and what's involved in doing this
analysis just for our own information.
Mr. Ryffel thinks the council ought to include property
owners in the pool of members and not restrict it just to residents.
They have a financial interest here and they ought to be able
to at least be considered.
F. Whit Dupree
Stating that he was born here, Mr. Dupree revealed
that he owned property here. He sees that the proposed moratorium
on building has been temporarily rescinded but that the council
does wish to have a local planning agency. He said he has been
trying to sell his lot for a number of years and two real estate
agents have told him that this talk of moratoriums or even a planning
agency are detrimental and will lower the value of his property,
which concerns him. He would agree that they should have a cost
benefit analysis on a net basis to the town and, also, if the
planning agency is going to have as many as seven members, then
he would think that not just voting residents should be included
but also that property owners would be appointed. He would also
suggest including construction industry representatives and real
estate people.
The council was asked what they thought about including
property owners as LPA members. The mayor said there seemed to
be some discrepancy of opinion as to whether or not you could
or could not do that. Mr. Roosa advised he could find no statutory
prohibition for allowing nonresidents to be members. The initial
local planning agency is the town council, and you must be residents
in order to be on the town council. By analogy, if you were to
delegate that authority, it is arguable that you would also want
those members to be residents. In the past, the legislature when
they restricted agencies to residents, for instance, under the
Code Enforcement, they said that if you couldn't find a particular
category that you could use nonresidents. But the emphasis was
to use residents first and if they were not available and you
felt the need, then you could go elsewhere. It is perfectly constitutional
to limit it to residents and the reasoning behind the residency
requirement is somewhat supported by the Charter. The Charter
establishes the council as the initial local planning agency and,
of course, council members are required to be residents.
Council members develop the plan. If there are a
whole lot more restrictions and laws it will be a worry to the
council and the planning agency also. The LPA does the work and
they prepare the ordinance but the council can modify it. The
council is not limited to what the LPA prepares.
Attorney Roosa concurred with Mr. Fitzsimons that
the LPA is an advisory committee. If the council wanted to address,
let's say traffic, you just tell them and they would work on that
traffic element first.
Mayor Cereceda asked Mr. Isler for his opinion regarding
including property owners as members of the planning agency and
he said he would have no problem with including them, that we
shouldn't eliminate anyone with good skills because they don't
happen to live here. That would be our loss.
Mr. Roosa said they could eliminate the residency
requirement.
Mr. Murphy said he was all for broadening the pool.
Business people, he feels, have a very good understanding of what
our problems are and he thinks they should be included. If that
entails striking the residency requirement, so be it.
There are a lot of ways the pool could be expanded
as well as contracted, according to Ted Fitzsimons. Supposing,
for example, that the requirement was to be a taxpayer. We have
a great number of people who are temporary residents who are property
owners, taxpayers. That would tend to make sure they were included
in the pool.
Mr. Roosa said he didn't like the taxpayer classification.
He sees it as an arbitrary classification and one that's based
on wealth and ownership. Residency requirements are a legitimate,
constitutionally identified classification. You can pick your
residence where you choose, and if you choose to be a resident
of Fort Myers Beach, then you can be on the committee. And that
includes owners, tenants, all of society. Make the decision on
a case-to-case basis based upon the merits of the applicant.
Mayor Cereceda noted that then the only classification
of a member would be to be elected by the town council and she
asked if anyone objected to this change.
Motion: Rusty Isler moved
that Section 4 of the Ordinance, Qualifications of Members, be
changed to read "All members of the LPA shall not be salaried
officials of the town." Ray Murphy seconded. Passed unanimously.
Motion: Ted Fitzsimons
moved to accept the Ordinance and Ray Murphy seconded the motion.
Passed unanimously.
IX TOWN MANAGER ITEMS
Mrs. Segal-George referred the council to the eight
bills she had given to them for payment. She had copies of the
expenditures for anyone who needed this information.
Mayor Cereceda mentioned having received a call today
from the Florida League of Cities saying they needed a check immediately
for insurance. They were told that the council would be acting
on it tonight.
Motion: Ted Fitzsimons
moved that Marsha Segal-George pay the eight bills she had presented
to the council. Seconded by Rusty Isler. Passed unanimously.
Tomorrow the council will be meeting with the Board
of County Commissioners at 1:30.
There was a question regarding how long the CRA was
going to pay administrative fees, and Mrs. Segal-George has a
copy of the original resolution which showed the CRA paying administrative
fees through 1994-1995. Copies are available for council members
should they wish to use them at their meeting tomorrow with the
Board of County Commissioners.
House Bill 401 has been introduced and it is an attempt
to find new funding for CRAs, where the CRAs would receive funding
from a percentage of the sales tax. Mr. Roosa pointed out that
the local government was deprived of ad valorem taxes because
it set those specific taxes aside for that particular project.
If they take the town's share of sales tax and do the same thing,
the town will still not benefit. If the town were to set up a
CRA, what we would do is short circuit some ad valorem taxes.
Before they got to the town for general revenue, they would be
set aside in that CRA. If it's the same way with the sales tax,
that's no more beneficial to the town than the other way. Typically,
the legislature doesn't give money to any anybody.
Mr. Harold Huber came to the podium and stated that
he had been acting as the purchasing agent for the council. He
noted that two weeks ago by an 4-1 vote, the council approved
taking out two walls to enlarge a vacant office that looks onto
the meeting room for Mrs. Segal-George's use. The capacity of
the room was set at 76. The fire marshal came on Thursday and
refigured the meeting room capacity up to 130 by leaving the office
as it is. If we take the office out, capacity is increased to
136. Total bid was $2634. Taking out the wall brings the cost
up to $1754. We would save $880 by leaving the room there, but
by removing the room we would have a nicer meeting room. Mr. Reynolds
has requested we have a revote on taking the room out, as he would
like to use it for an office.
Motion: Made by Rusty
Isler to change the walls in Marsha Segal-George's new office
to enlarge it. Seconded by Ray Murphy. Passed unanimously.
It was suggested that they could lower the counter
so that people could see over it. Mr. Huber did not anticipate
any real cost problem to do this. Mrs. Segal-George concurred
with the change.
X TOWN ATTORNEY ITEMS
Attorney Roosa advised the council that he had distributed
to them this evening two interlocal agreements. One agreement
is for the delegation of certain municipal street maintenance
duties in Lee County and the other is for the delegation of certain
land use powers to Lee County. These are pretty much consistent
with the previously adopted emergency resolutions. He also plans
to bring before the council a request for a special master proceeding
by Mr. and Mrs. Donald Lyman. In their petition the applicants
have identified three possible special masters. Mr. Roosa has
discussed them with the town manager and they would recommend
that the council select R. Scott Barker. Scott Barker is the former
hearing examiner for Lee County. We have ten days from the time
they serve us to get the information to the hearing examiner.
Motion: Made by Rusty
Isler and seconded by Ray Murphy to accept R. Scott Barker as
the hearing examiner for the Lymans. Passed unanimously.
A question has been raised to Ted Fitzsimons about
discussion of circumstances relating to a particular piece of
property in the community for which there is an outstanding application
for a COP (Consumption on Premises). Mr. Fitzsimons wishes to
know if council persons would be disqualified from discussing
anything with an individual relative to that piece of property.
Attorney Roosa advised that the problem is whether or not they
could still be impartial after having that discussion. He reminded
the council how Bob Britt had talked about the fact that we could
adopt a resolution or an ordinance which would allow for council
members to have such discussions and require only that they record
and summarize that discussion to maintain their impartiality.
Even if it could be done by a resolution, that would necessitate
an ordinance. It's sort of a procedural matter. The way the law
is written, you are not required to adopt the procedure to still
take advantage of that procedure, but Mr. Roosa recommends this
be done. It might be appropriate to have a resolution allowing
you to have those contacts and then report them. There is a procedure
for reporting when the conversation occurred and a summary of
the conversation, then when it did come before the town council,
it would be brought up. You could also refuse to engage in a conversation
on a matter that will be brought up before the town council. It
is up to you.
XI PUBLIC COMMENTS AND INQUIRIES
A. Cherie Smith
Mrs. Smith identified herself as one of the co-chairman
of the town's inaugural party that was held on December 31. She
reminded the council she had asked to put the party together in
September and that the party had turned out terrifically. The
people on the Beach put together a committee and they also put
together a flag with the interim logo on it which they flew on
the day of the inaugural party. Mrs. Smith then presented the
flag as a gift to the town council from the committee and the
people of Fort Myers Beach. The Mayor suggested that it could
be hung on the wall and thanked Mrs. Smith.
Mrs. Smith next presented the council with pictures
that had been taken by Charles Hester, their professional photographer
on the inaugural day. One is a picture of the flag as it flew
that day. They also put together a composite of the council members
as they were sworn in by Judge Pack that they could also put on
the walls. Mrs. Smith received a round of applause from the public
attendees and the council for her gifts.
B. Al Van Horn
Mr. Van Horn advised he was getting tired of hearing
innuendoes and negatives about the "bare bones" approach
to their government. The negatives are the result of one or two
expenditures which have exceeded what they had perceived the cost
would be. Mr. Van Horn explained that a budget is a management
tool and you do not take a particular figure, divide it by 12,
and say that's the limit that we have for this particular month.
One case in point was the charges to date of the cost of our legal
counsel. These were largely startup costs which were more than
anticipated and should level off. Mr. Van Horn likened this cost
to a hospital stay where the first three days are peak costs,
then become lower. He commends everyone for the job they did in
furnishing the town hall quarters. The rent is excessive, Mr.
Van Horn noted, but offsetting that is the furnishings, much of
which were obtained without any cost to them at all. He would
urge those who are quick to criticize perceived excessive costs
to give the town a chance. This is not to say that the budget
should not be monitored. There have to be some checks along the
line. Mr. Van Horn urges that everyone have some confidence and
some faith in our council in being able to assume the proper fiscal
responsibility which has been delegated to them.
C. Pat Loffreno
Mr. Loffreno feels that time is of the essence for
the council to get money from the county and the state. He believes
that Mr. Fitzsimons was a participant in the work on the comprehensive
plan in 1988 and had the opportunity to remove C-1 zoning in different
areas but has not done so. The council, noted Mr. Loffreno, has
the final say on what is built on Fort Myers Beach. If he wanted
to build a home, the council could say no to him.
Mr. Loffreno feels that the idea of a resolution
is just as bad as the moratorium proposal and is costing them
a tremendous amount of money. He has been told that the comprehensive
plan can cost about three years in time and from $400,000 to $700,000
in expenses. Mr. Loffreno expressed concern about the town attorney's
salary. He feels the town spends too much time talking about expansion
and carpets.
D. Mark Ebelini
Mr. Ebelini noted that he represents two vested developments
on Fort Myers Beach owned by Sunstream, Inc., and Star Dial, Inc.,
which are the Diamond Head Convention Hotel and Bay Beach. Since
the council has delayed action on Mr. Fitzsimon's proposed unnumbered
resolution until next week, Mr. Ebelini said he would save his
comments on this matter until next time.. In the interim, however,
he would ask that the council would answer the following questions
for the benefit of the residents:
1. Is the resolution an attempt to effect vested
projects?
2. Is this resolution an attempt to stop the Diamond
Head Convention Hotel or Bay Beach as they have been approved?
3. If this is so, how much have you budgeted to pay
for the damages and litigation costs which your actions will require
you to raise?
Mr. Ebelini said it would be better to answer these
questions now rather than next week when the council will be working
on the language of the proposed resolution.
E. Flip Harby
We did away with the moratorium, Mr. Harbey stated,
and we gained a resolution to be voted on next week. He compared
the resolution language to that in the moratorium, particularly
in Section 3 where it delves into development order extensions
and permit extensions and says there is no mention of that in
the moratorium. He finds it a direct assault on projects that
are ongoing on this island or soon to be starting up.
Referring to the Fort Myers Beach Goals/Objectives/Tasks
which he thinks was prepared by Bill Mills prior to his departure,
he said it had about 6 or 7 areas with as many as nine subdivision
headings. He wishes to know if the council has completed all these
tasks. Have we secured our revenues? The state said it is $43,000.
Have we secured all the necessary interlocal agreements? The council
passed a lot of emergency ordinances that carries it to March
31, twenty days from now. Beyond March 31 you have to enter interlocal
agreements with various agencies that are to provide services
to this island. Has that been done?
Under I, Section F, it states that the council needs
to insure in the community's national flood insurance program
status will continue in force so that flood insurance remains
available to town property owners. It requires confirmation from
FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) in the very near future
and they require certain specific actions by the council. The
council needs to look into the town's status with the FEMA community
rating system. The CRS (community rating system) gives the town
property owners significant discounts on their flood insurance
premiums. Without specific action this fiscal year the town may
lose its current CRS status on October 1, 1996.
The town has a budget it has to assemble submitted
on or before July 15, 1996.
The point is, Mr. Ebelini stated, have we lost focus,
are we using tunnel vision for moratoriums to stop, cease and
desist building. Aren't there more important things to get under
way.
F. Don Pickworth
Mr. Pickworth said that he represented some property
owners who have purchased property within the Bay Beach project.
He was sent by his clients a draft of a resolution which essentially
says that any development permit, which is pretty broadly defined,
has to have the approval of a local planning agency and a town
manager. It contains no standards. From the standpoint of his
clients,
Mr. Pickworth said the council is urged to consider
issues such as vested development rights, certainly standards
and other things which at least give members of the public an
opportunity to rationally analyze this and discuss it.
G. Howard Rynearson
Mr. Rynearson thanked the council for postponing
the resolution until next week. He urged that they didn't push
it through until they talked to their people.
H. Carleton Ryffel
Mr. Ryffel said he appreciated the council's vote
on the LPA Ordinance including getting rid of the residency business.
The council might want to consider taking out an ad in the paper
because people didn't know that they could be included.
Mr. Ryffel stated he had been upset when he heard
about the resolution. His impression of what this resolution is
supposed to do is simply to get information from Lee County about
what is pending. Looking at the resolution, it did not match that
principal. If the issue is to get information from Lee County,
all you need to do is get a letter from Mary Gibbs about once
a week and you don't have to do any of these things. He doesn't
think the resolution is necessary. The council has a letter from
Mary dated March 7 which tells them what is pending. He doesn't
know why they can't continue with this rather than go through
a resolution requiring the involvement of the LPA.
XII ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Anita T. Cereceda adjourned the meeting at
9:50 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Lorraine Calhoun
Recording Secretary
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