Council Minutes : January 21, 1997
FORT MYERS BEACH
TOWN COUNCIL MEETING
JANUARY 21, 1997
Nations Bank, Council Chambers
2523 Estero Boulevard
FORT MYERS BEACH, FLORIDA
I CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was opened on Tuesday, January 21, 1997,
at 6:30 P.M. by Anita T. Cereceda, Mayor.
Present at the meeting were: Anita T. Cereceda,
Mayor and Council Member; Council Members Rusty Isler, Ray Murphy,
and Garr Reynolds; Marsha Segal-George, Town Manager; and Attorney
Richard Roosa.
Excused from the meeting: Vice-Mayor and Council
Member Ted FitzSimons
II PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
All assembled recited
the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag.
III INVOCATION
The Council was led in prayer by the Reverend Dr.
Ronald P. Salfen, Pastor of Chapel By The Sea Presbyterian Church.
IV PROCLAMATION ON CANCERTHON
Ray Murphy read a proclamation thanking Continental
Cablevision and the American Cancer Society for their many years
of work on the Cancerthon which will be held for the last time
on January 25. Edward Garcia, Community Relations manager of
Continental Cablevision, accepted the proclamation.
V PUBLIC COMMENTS AND INQUIRIES
There were no public comments.
VI APPROVAL OF MINUTES: JANUARY 6, 1997
Motion: Mr. Murphy moved
and Mr. Reynolds seconded that the minutes be approved as submitted.
The motion passed unanimously.
VII REVIEW OF EXPENDITURES
Mr. Reynolds questioned the expense for flowers
for an LPA member in the hospital. He suggested the Council set
a policy at a later meeting.
VIII COUNCIL MEMBERS' ITEMS AND REPORTS
A RUSTY ISLER
Mr. Isler had no items to bring before the Council.
B RAY MURPHY
Mr. Murphy mentioned that there needs
to be a workshop on finances that will cover the final results
of the loan with First Union, operating account balances, current
bank balances, and a proposed budget ordinance amendment (due
to unexpected revenue including the grant money for the Long property),
etc. The workshop was tentatively scheduled for the second workshop
in February.
C GARR REYNOLDS
Mr. Reynolds said that he would like a future workshop
on policies regarding conduct of members during meetings, the
role of the chair, and the setting of the agenda. Mr. Reynolds
read seven items and asked that these become policy temporarily
until a workshop can be held. Marsha Segal-George said that she
only had a problem with changing the agenda once it is posted
in order to be fair to all the public who have checked the agenda
ahead of time. Mr. Isler agreed with all comments except the
agenda which is a staff function and the council should rely on
them. Mr. Roosa said that the agenda identifies items which the
council should be prepared to vote upon. If you add something
too late, council members don't have a chance to prepare.
Regarding the cancellation of the council workshop
on January 16, Mr. Reynolds felt that the Council members should
have been consulted first since he had an item that he would like
to have discussed at the workshop.
He stated that he thinks it is OK for the Council
members to discuss any items that is in the public news.
He mentioned that the Shrimp Parade will be on February
22 at 10 AM. The bridge will be closed at 9 AM.
At Traffic Committee they discussed crosswalks and
safety. There will be new signs going up at the crosswalks and
the crosswalk stripes on the road will be repainted so that they
are more visible. Also no passing lines will be painted near
the crosswalks.
D ANITA CERECEDA
Mayor Cereceda stated that she has been brushing
up on Roberts Rules of Order and will be making the change that
each Council member's vote will be polled separately on ordinances.
She would also like to see a workshop on policies. The Council
also needs to appoint a charter review committee. She proposed
that each Council member nominate a person to sit on the board,
but if the Council prefers, they could nominate a slate and the
top five vote-getters will be on the committee. The committee
will hold open meetings per the sunshine law. The Chamber has
already conducted a review and the council's review committee
will make use of their review.
She also said that there has been a meeting with
the Sheriff who is short $50,000 for covering the Town for Spring
Break and he would like the Town to allocate the money. She said
that she went back to the minutes of an earlier meeting where
she specifically asked the Sheriff about core services and was
assured that we would receive the same services as in the past.
The Council agreed that the Sheriff could be counted on to do
the right thing for the Town.
IX PUBLIC HEARING ON AMENDMENT TO VESSEL CONTROL AND
WATER SAFETY ORDINANCE
Mayor Cereceda read the titles and opened the public
hearing.
A BILL VAN DUZER
Mr. Van Duzer, a resident since 1956, has owned
a boat since 1959. He has visited all areas of the back bay while
fishing and believes it should be protected, but he takes exception
to the 1000' slow speed zone because it will take 1 to 1 ½
hours from his canal to his favorite fishing hole. He does not
feel that he endangers the grass flats or the animal life.
B LUCINDA KELLER
Ms. Keller is concerned about enforcement: who
will enforce and how will it be paid for? Marsha Segal-George
said she will be meeting with law enforcement bodies to discuss
this.
C JIM FIGUERADO
Mr. Figuerado, owner of Mid Island Marina, is opposed
to the amendment because he has just fixed up his marina and it
would hit him financially because no one will want to store their
boat there if it will take them three hours to get to the Gulf.
Mr. Isler pointed out that the channels have been excluded from
this ordinance.
D JOHANNA CAMPBELL
Ms. Campbell spoke for the animals. 1000' feet
is not that far because the channel is excluded and she knows
that not all fishermen are as considerate as the previous speakers.
Rookeries have been destroyed and manatees injured by excessive
speed.
E RAY MERTENS
Mr. Mertens questioned whether we are over legislating
and possibly overstepping the boundaries for San Carlos Island
and other jurisdictions. 500', if it is enforced properly and
fined seriously, will be good enough. If we try enforcement first
and that still doesn't work, the Council can go back later and
increase it to 1000'. He would rather see enforcement than change.
The public meeting was closed.
Mr. Reynolds suggested dropping any reference to
"beach" since the ordinance addresses the back bay.
He also suggested it should say "not less than 100 feet
of the pier." Mayor Cereceda said she would like to see
the effective date be changed to a time when it can be enforced.
She also suggested leaving the zone at 500' but adding a 500'
zone around any beach which would protect all the rookeries and
leave the rest of it open. Marsha Segal-George feared that would
be even harder to enforce.
Motion: Mr. Isler moved
and Mayor Cereceda seconded that the amendment ordinance be dropped.
After discussion, the vote was as follows: Mr. Isler - yes;
Mr. Reynolds - no; Mr. Murphy - yes, Mayor Cereceda - yes. The
motion passed.
Discussion: Mr. Reynolds
would rather have it continued until the next meeting rather than
dropped.
The Council took a break at 8:00 PM and reconvened
at 8: 15 PM.
IX PUBLIC HEARING ON PARASAILING ORDINANCE
Mayor Cereceda read the titles and opened the public
hearing.
A AL VAN HORN
Mr. Van Horn urged support because the beach needs
reasonable measures of control.
B DEAN KIRKESTNER
Mr. Kirkestner, of Rebel Watersports, expressed
concern about the requirement for Florida stickers because he
is federally registered and is not required to have them. He
felt that the rule about 500' from the pier was unnecessary and
that people want to take pictures of the pier. He is having a
problem with private boats anchoring within the buoy lanes for
jet skis. If the ordinance can't be enforced, don't pass it.
C BILL PERRY
Mr. Perry, of Aquasports Unlimited, said that perhaps
parasail operators should only be able to operate out of the PAL
sites (only 6 locations on the island) rather than out of PWVL
locations.
D RON JOHNSON
Mr. Johnson said that there are 21 PWVLs, and therefore
this ordinance would allow 21 locations for parasail. That number
needs to be restricted for safety. He said it is unfair that
he has to operate 1000' out even though he has a master's license,
when an individual can run his boat within 500'.
E TED PRIMICH
Mr. Primich of Wind and Water Sports at Lani Kai
said that locations without parasail licenses don't have to pay
such high insurance and they don't have to buy the expensive boats
that are necessary for parasailing, yet the PWVL operators are
gaining from parasail vendors without paying for it. He has
heard that Miami has a new law that you can't get a license unless
you have 100 hotel rooms.
F RICK SMITH
Mr. Smith of Paradise Parasail said
that the idle speed zone is to protect swimmers and therefore
1000' is unnecessary. There has never been a problem between
swimmers and parasail boats, and all drivers have captain's licenses.
He thinks that a rule not to fly over the pier would be sufficient.
G LONNIE CLARK
Mr. Clark of Sun and Fun Air and Water Sports,
mentioned that sometimes it is necessary to have transactions
on the boat because someone changes their mind or the weather
changes. Where money changes hands is not a safety issue and
shouldn't be in this ordinance. He also said they should be able
to lease vessels, in case of a vessel failure during busy season.
If they can't lease a good replacement, someone might be tempted
to run a vehicle that is not in top condition. He suggested that
the word "rental" should probably read "charter"
instead. He feels that the rule that a PAL cannot be within 500'
of a PWVL is not fair.
H PATRICK RANALLI
Mr. Ranalli of Ranalli Parasail questioned whether
they could pick up at PWVL locations also. He is satisfied with
the ordinance as it reads.
The public hearing was closed.
Marsha Segal-George stated that this ordinance has
been worked on since the summer, has had a lot of input from the
vendors, and has passed the LPA. There are 6 PAL licenses and
one grandfathered license (Pat Ranalli) and they are the only
ones who could pick up at any location. She has a meeting with
the marine patrol and the sheriff and code enforcement this week
to discuss enforcement. It was noted that on page 6, it should
read "operate" instead of "operated", and
on page 7 at the top, "C" should be removed.
Motion: Mr. Reynolds
moved and Mr. Isler seconded that the ordinance be adopted. After
discussion the vote was as follows: Mr. Reynolds - yes; Mr. Murphy
- yes: Mayor Cereceda - yes; Mr. Isler - yes. The motion passed
unanimously.
Discussion: Mr. Murphy
asked why the parasailers are required to go out 1000'. Bill
Van Duzer, a member of the LPA, was asked to speak as an expert
witness, and recalled that the LPA wanted them out because in
certain wind conditions, the parasail would be within 500 feet
of the shore if they inflated the chute at 500'. In addition
it would hopefully get them further out from the waverunners.
Mr. Isler felt that these were technicalities that could be worked
out if they became major problems. You will never have a perfect
document, and no one has said that the ordinance as written will
put them out of business or would be unsafe to them or the public.
XI PUBLIC HEARING ON HAZARDOUS MATERIAL INCIDENT COST RECOVERY
ORDINANCE
Mayor Cereceda read the titles and opened the public
hearing. There being no public comment, the hearing was closed.
Motion: Mr. Reynolds
moved and Mr. Murphy seconded that the ordinance be passed as
written. The vote was as follows: Mr. Murphy - yes; Mr. Isler
- yes; Mr. Reynolds - yes; Mayor Cereceda - yes. The motion passed
unanimously.
XII RESOLUTION ON NATIONS BANK LOAN
Mr. Roosa said that this resolution authorizes the
issuance of a $500,000 loan at 4 ½ % adjustable interest.
Motion: Mr. Murphy moved
and Mr. Isler seconded that the resolution be approved. The motion
passed unanimously.
Discussion: Mr. Reynolds
said that he does not see why the Town needs to keep getting loans
for money they don't need.
XIII RE-APPOINTMENT OF LPA MEMBERS
Marsha Segal-George said that according to the ordinance,
there are two LPA members with one-years terms (Mr. Van Duzer
and Mr. Mulholland.) At the time, the Council stated that they
wanted them to stay on until the task was finished, so they need
to be reappointed.
Motion: Mayor Cereceda
moved and Mr. Reynolds seconded that Mr. Van Duzer and Mr. Mulholland
be reappointed to the LPA. The motion passed unanimously.
XIV AGREEMENT WITH LEE TRAN ON TROLLEYS
Mayor Cereceda asked what happened to the free trolley
and Mr. Gucciardo answered that the staff was relying on the recommendation
of Lee Tran that there would be a potential for abuse, mostly
with kids jumping on and off. LeeTran says that the ridership
is not affected that much by the 25-cent fare. Mayor Cereceda
feels that the trolley should be free as an incentive to solve
the traffic problems. She also asked if the fare box is greater
than 20%, would the Town get a refund? Mr. Gucciardo answered
that we would not. He also explained that this is a short-term
approach for this season only.
Motion: Mr. Murphy moved
and Mr. Reynolds seconded that the agreement be accepted. After
discussion, the motion passed unanimously.
Discussion: Mr. Isler
stated that this is 10% of our transportation budget which should
be used for roads. He is afraid that it will set a precedent
and we will have to pay for it every year. He is disappointed
that all responsibility for peaking is falling on the town, and
the County is not even giving us the gas tax we are due. Yet
he realizes that we have a problem and if we don't do it this
year, no one will. Marsha Segal-George stated that TDC's consultant
says that our traffic problems are caused by seasonal residents
rather than tourists and therefore TDC can't pay for it. The
Town does not have the studies to prove that it is not true.
Mayor Cereceda asked if they could take out the part about advertising
monies going to the County. Mr. Gucciardo felt that it was too
late to change this year but it could be worked on for next year.
XV REQUEST FOR MONEY FOR INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE ON
MOUND KEY
Larry Fooks, park manager of Mound Key State Archaeological
Site, stated that Mound Key is only 2200 yards from Fort Myers
Beach . He showed copies of interpretative panels that they would
like to place along the trail so that visitors can understand
the site better. They will cost about $2000 and he needs the
support of the Council in the amount of $700. This project will
be in partnership with the Boy Scouts, the Koreshan Unity Alliance,
the DEP, and hopefully private enterprises. Marsha Segal-George
noted that Mound Key is going to be an important part of the Eco-Archeo
Trail to tie in with the Mound House. The money would come
out of the Community Services budget.
Motion: Mayor Cereceda
moved and Mr. Reynolds seconded that the donation be approved.
The motion passed unanimously.
XVI TOWN MANAGER'S ITEMS AND REPORTS
A FUTURE WORKSHOPS
John Gucciardo said that a CRA workshop has been
scheduled on January 29 (Wednesday) to coordinate with CRA, construction
and other entities to make a plan for turnover to the Town (some
time in February.) February 13 (morning) has been set as a workshop
with Sanibel on beach issues, and will take the place of the regular
evening meeting on that date. He proposed February 27 as the
workshop on budget and finance and the result of the audit. Mayor
Cereceda suggested that at each workshop there should be time
set aside for policies and procedures in addition to a special
workshop. Mr. Isler suggested a workshop on March 27 to go over
the computer (Word, Excel, Office 97, etc.), e-mail, internet,
etc. Mr. Roosa mentioned that Steve Carter of the News Press
had offered to give a workshop on government in sunshine, ideally
in conjunction with the LPA and the Charter Review Committee.
That will be set for March 13 along with policies and procedures.
Mayor Cereceda suggested that at the next meeting on February
3 the council be prepared to name people to the Charter Review
Committee. It was decided that each Council member would be able
to appoint one member.
XVII TOWN ATTORNEY'S ITEMS
Mr. Roosa reported that the attorney for Sunstream
has asked for some comfort on the expiration of their permits
while they are in negotiations with Mariner on the possible land
swap. Sunstream submitted a proposed motion. If the Council
wants to consider adopting the motion, Mr. Roosa suggested changing
the last two lines to "90 days after the notice to proceed
from the Town Council". That would give the Council more
control over how long the negotiations could proceed. As of now,
their permits will expire 90 days after the mandate from the Second
District Court of Appeal has been handed down, which could be
any day because the opinion has already been handed down and there
has been no appeal filed. Mr. Roosa noted that this is the first
time that the Council has anything in writing on the proposed
swap. Mr. Reynolds suggested since this is the first time that
the Council has seen this, that it be tabled until the next meeting
because he would like more time to think about it. Mayor Cereceda
moved and Mr. Reynolds seconded that this request be denied, but
Mr. Roosa said that a motion is not necessary if they are not
going to act on it. Mayor Cereceda stated that she was afraid
this would give Sunstream all the time they want to drag their
feet. She thought that refusing this would make them move faster
to come up with a proposal and then the Council can consider the
request once they get a proposal. Marsha Segal-George stated
that her fear was that if the Council did not give Sunstream some
assurances, they would have to start driving pilings for the hotel
before the possibility of a land swap was fully explored. She
said the land use process is so lengthy that it could take a year
for completion of all the steps. Mr. Gucciardo said everyone
understands the need to get the thing defined so the residents
and Council can make an evaluation, but Sunstream's concern is
that unless they have some protection of their permits they could
get caught in the County's public hearing process and it might
not even get to the LPA before the 90 days has expired. If the
Council adopts Mr. Roosa's suggested change, the Council can pull
the plug on the negotiations and start the 90-day clock at any
time. Mr. Reynolds expressed concern that the staff was using
a hard-sell approach and was more concerned with the comfort zone
of the people they were meeting with than the comfort zone of
the Council. Mr. Gucciardo responded that he was merely trying
to relay what Sunstream had relayed to him, not his opinion on
it, so that the Council could make an informed decision. Mayor
Cereceda confirmed that was how she interpreted it, but Mr. Reynolds
said that was not how he interpreted it. Mr. Murphy and Mr. Isler
suggested waiting until another meeting to think about it. It
will be put on the agenda for February 3.
Mr. Roosa noted that the judge has passed down the
opinion on Mid Island Marina that there was not substantial reason
for the Council to have turned down their request. Therefore
it will come back to the Council. He presented a paper with legal
opinions for the Council to consider.
XVIII PUBLIC COMMENT AND INQUIRY
A JOHANNA CAMPBELL
Ms. Campbell spoke about the trolley, and said
that the recent News Press article proved that when the 25-cent
fare was enacted, ridership was cut in half. She thinks that
getting more trolleys is a good use for transportation money.
She also believes that advertising money on the trolleys is a
wash financially.
B RAY MERTENS
Mr. Mertens thinks there should be a workshop on
proper treatment of employees and handling problems. He felt
uncomfortable sitting in a public forum hearing employees be put
down and their integrity questioned. He thinks you should treat
them right or fire them.
Mr. Reynolds stated that he thought the comment was
directed toward him, and he didn't feel he was treating the employees
unethically but he questioned whether the staff was simply giving
the Council information or was using a selling-type approach.
He thought perhaps they were forgetting the Council's comfort
zone and missed some forethought and that they should consider
the Council members a little more. He stated that he wasn't questioning
the staff's integrity and that no apology was necessary.
IX ADJOURNMENT
Motion: Mr. Murphy moved
and Mr. Isler seconded that the meeting be adjourned. The motion
passed unanimously. The meeting was adjourned at 10:05 PM.
Respectfully submitted,
Peggy Salfen
Recording Secretary
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